Chopper like Gate Plugin??

topic posted Sat, August 5, 2006 - 8:45 AM by  Tyler
I am looking for a tool, that will allow for me to chop a sample, and pattern it like a gate would, without losing slices of the sample..

I hope this makes sense..

SAMPLE: 123456789

GATE: 1 3 5 7 9

And this is what I want : 1 2 3 45 6 789

I realise I can just chop the sample and lay it down manually, but I am looking more for something with integrated FX.. These sort of things act as a jump off for me experimenting with other combinations of filters, FX and whatnot..

Thanks for your time, and I hope nobody feels like an idiot after reading this.. I just finished my coffee, and I'll wake up soon..
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  • Unsu...

    Re: Chopper like Gate Plugin??

    Wed, August 9, 2006 - 11:36 AM
    yeah i copy your numeric gating code..... at least partially....

    i only have 2 decent gating plugs at my disposal.
    MGtrigger gate, which is free and the link is offered up in a post probably about 5 months back in this forum... ill for it for you...

    and SonicBytes G'atr which is a more versitle gate, offering other parameters that effect individual gates. plus a filter and lfo to funk things a bit.

    mg trigger gate is good, and its free, but you wont be able to do your '1 2 3 45 6 789' gate seq. for some reason its just made that way.

    you could always use the matrix sequencer in reason if you have that...

    good luck
    • Unsu...

      Re: Chopper like Gate Plugin??

      Wed, August 9, 2006 - 11:38 AM
      actually i think i remember seeing mgtrigger gate in an article in future music or somthing like that for the best free plugs online, im not sure where the mag is, but you should be able to find it online....
  • Re: Chopper like Gate Plugin??

    Thu, August 10, 2006 - 1:13 AM
    :-( very unlikely a gate will do that, as the plug-in would have to store the sample to get what you want.

    Mobius, a looping plugin, might be capable of this,

    but not without a lot of work from you to put midi controls for it in you sequencer.

    Isn't there a beat chopper plugin that would allow you to arbitrarily rearrange the beat slices? then you could add silence to end of your sample before loading it up.
    • Tu2

      Thu, August 10, 2006 - 5:42 AM
      It's not a plugin but I love
      Tu2 (formerly called Tuareg)
      which allows you to slice your sample into
      any number of beats and then will gate out
      a section of each 'slice'.

      You can then use a randomization button to rearrange slices
      or you can manually rearrange them.

      It also lets you manually gate a slice or not play it at all
      so you can do very funky syncopated , ostinato rhthms with it.

      It also has a matrix mixer which is extremely cool and let's you individually change
      the resonance, cutoff, panning and volume of each slice.

      It is free but the full version costs $35. The pay version is light years better than the free version
      and I can't more highly recommend this piece of software for sound design.

      One trick I love to use it to create an idiosyncratic pad by convolving two rhtyms in Cool Edit Pro (or Adobe Audition as it is now called).
      Then I make an ostinato rhythm using Tu2 that is identical to a high hat pattern in a typical groove based tune.

      You import the sample into your DAW/sequencer/loop based software and then mix it so that is
      almost subliminal under your very tightly enveloped hi hat pattern and VOILA! You have a
      fairly typical groove that nonetheless sounds very fresh and idiosyncratic and yet most people couldn't tell you
      why it is idiosyncratic.

      Wow, I just went to the website and they have lowered the price to $20!!!!
      That's this cool program and then I don't have to say "I told you so".

      lol, Rick

      ps oh yeah................

      and check out TunaFish, the uber cheap and powerful sequencing program............just released in a new version
  • do it by hand!

    Wed, August 16, 2006 - 11:23 AM
    i like your use of numbers - like stepwise sequencing.

    i get it.

    i say for this you don't even need a plugin.
    i don't know your studio setup, but if you have a mixer or a midi controler with faders you can do this by hand, a simple dj tricks. use hardware if you can, or live otherwise.

    up down up down up down up down.

    you can get your perfect control that way.

    ooooootherwise, use reason.
    connect the MATRIX pattern sequencer to the gate in on the back of the REX player after dropping the loop you want into it. draw the patterm in the MATRIX.

    hope this helps.
    • Re: do it by hand!

      Wed, August 23, 2006 - 11:27 PM
      I picked up TU2 today..

      Seemed a little limiting in the few minutes that I was messing with it..

      It's a pain that I can't open anything off of my desktop, that's where I keep all my drums and whatnot..

      Also, apparently, most of the drum breaks are either condensed .wav files that won't open, or they're 24 bit, and have to be converted to 16 bit first.

      The Variator wouldn't open the vocals that I wanted it to either.. Maybe it's not able to slice them or something? Not too sure..

      I remember seeing something in the Absynth tutorial DVD about chopping and delaying a sample.. They were using a count down vocal sample, I'll have to look into that again.. Not sure how big of I wavefile it could handle, but it seems to be a nice piece of software..

      I am also going to try the matrix sequencer in reason, I haven't used the program in so long, I'll have to blow the dust off..
      • After some research, trial and ERROR..

        Thu, August 24, 2006 - 10:13 AM
        First off, sorry for having so many sequential posts in my own thread, but I have figured a few things out and I think they are worth noting..

        All right..

        I tried the Reason Matrix setup.. I was trying to effect a vocal sample .wav file.. I opened it in the Redrum.. Only because it was the first thing that came to mind when I needed a wav..
        The matrix gate works, but it always retriggers the sample every time it moves on to the next note/step in the sequencer.. It created a nice buildup/echo but it wasn't what I was looking for.. I am sure it will come in handy and it was a nice technique to be put up on.. I never use Reason so any tips with it are new to moi.. Thanks for that..

        Another thing that I found, was that there is a plugin in FL studio, although it may only be in the Producer Edition and up, I am not too sure.. I am using the XXL..
        If you have Wave Traveller, it does exactly what I was trying to explain..
        This thing is a god send for me..
        What you do is load your wave file into it, it gives you a digital readout, like Audtion or anything else.. It's not EXTREMELY accurate, but it gets the job done..
        After you load it up, there is a keyboard layed out under the waveform, all you have to do is click the key you want to use as a trigger, then there are two dials, one on each side below the wave.. you can dial them in, and they narrow into whatever part of the wave you want to play with the key.. You can setup a few keys... So back to the numeric pattern.

        C5 = 1
        D5= 2
        E5= 3

        And so on..

        NEXT.. You go into the Piano roll in the sequencer..
        You can fill in whatever you want, wherever you want..

        So it plays 1 32 12 31 12 3 2 2 1 or whatever..

        Anyway I hope you get the picture..
        I am pretty excited to go and mess around with this.. Since it is a native FL plug, you can use all the effects you have and go to town.. Filters, Delays, whatever..
        So, I am off to do that now..

        You should hear back from me in time, maybe I'll put up an audio example for those who are interested..

        Thanks for all the input and suggestions, and happy music making..

        • Re: After some research, trial and ERROR..

          Sat, August 26, 2006 - 2:01 AM
          This sounds great, I'm using FLStudio Producers edition and I'm not sure what plugin you are referring to.

          What's it called? You are not referring to the SLICER are you? If you are, I'm curious what version you are using because I can't
          see where it says to manipulate which notes on the keyboard it will slice. By the way, if you are hip to the SLICER in FLStudio P.E.
          then also check out the wonderful GRANULATOR function..............great glitchy fun in that beast.

          Also, you mentioned the Tu2 won't take things off of the desktop................for what it's worth, I've been told by all of my digital audio
          gurus (and I've been fortunate to have top industry people advising me for the whole of my career in electronic music production)
          that it is not a good thing to store your audio samples on your desktop.

          There are a few reasons.
          1) the desktop is part of your operating system (C) drive which is the most vulnerable hard drive to physical failure in your system.
          This is merely because it is constantly spinning and accessing datat because it runs the operating system and your applications.
          In 6 years I've had 3 different drives fail on me so I'm rather sensitive to this.

          Consequently I've always been advised to store ALL of my audio and video files on the D drive of the computer.
          You can still create a shortcut on your desktop that points to this large file(S) I actually have three AUDIO SAMPLES files because
          I can quickly duplicate them on CD or DVD for either backup or if I am sharing samples with some one.

          2) the desktop itself is frequently vulnerable to failure which can cause loss of data. I'm not sure if that's still true under Windows XP Service Pack 2 but it used to be when I used Win98

          but I agree with you, I wish Tu2 had simple drag and drop action.

          Be that as it may, it's matrix mixer allows for some amazing and very rapid and complex rhythmic programming. In real time all the mutes
          open and close channels on the downbeats of whatever time signature you are using which is really hip.

          And for you information, Tyler, Tu2 does not treat different kinds of samples differently (although it is a lot more simple to use with shorter .wave files). I imagine you might have been doing something wrong with the way you loaded your vocal samples that it wouldn't slice them.

          I also just love the randomization functions of the slicer.

          Thanks for your post, Tyler. It's provoking a lot of creativity in my mind. I appreciate the nudge. Good luck with your stuff and PLEASE post
          a URL of something to demonstrate what you are working with.
          • Re: After some research, trial and ERROR..

            Sat, August 26, 2006 - 2:19 AM
            Oh, excuse me, Tyler, I just figured out that you are talking about the SLICER

            I love this the way, I don't know if you know it or not
            but if you lasso some of the notes and grab them as the piece is moving,
            you can actually move the notes up and down the keyboard just in front
            of the moving cursor.

            I use this technique to 'improvise' with the playing and melodic placement of the invdividual
            slices. As I move the lasso notes around in real time, I have Sound Forge (or some other sound
            editor) recording what I"m doing in real time.

            I 'jam' for 10 minutes and go back an listen to the resulting .wav form with my hand on the marker key (M)
            just making a mark anytime I like what I hear. I chop up some loops.......turn them in to new wave files
            and the put them back into fruity loops and manipulate them either in the Sample Sequencer (SS =individual
            measures/bars) or in the Playlist (PL = song window).

            some cool slicing and manipulation can be had this way.

            Back to play some!
            • Re: After some research, trial and ERROR..

              Sat, August 26, 2006 - 9:42 AM
              I was refering to the Wave Traveller Plugin.. It's actually a scratch emulator in FL Studio...
              I am not sure how it is supposed to work for it's original purpose. But you can load a larger file into it than you can in Slicer..
              After that you can dial in the start and stop points, or choose the entire file.. And assign it to a single key..

              Thanks for the heads up on the placement of my drums.. I am going to move those over.. Usually I just backup everything to discs.. But it would still be a pain to have a crash regardless..

              As far as Tu2, I plan on getting into it a little deeper, when I have a bit of down time.. I am sure it will come in handy at some point..

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